As discussed in today’s Daily Source Code, a new company called pod2mob is inserting advertising in their mobile streams of podcasts, all podcasts, without the owner’s consent. I’m hoping lawyers won’t have to be called in, but all podcast producers should be defending their copyrights against this commercial usage of their property.
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I agree this is atrocious, but I have to admit it touches an area I’ve wondered about for a while. Exactly what is the license that the Daily Source Code is released under? As I work on my own podcast and make changes to it, I realized that I need to post something about the copyright/licensing information and am working on adding a page in my wordpress site about it and will be including a reference to it in the outro. Perhaps something like that would be useful for the DSC?
Just to play devils advocate, if they remove the “brought to you by…” part how is this different from what Google does?
Google doesn’t display full pages or images. This is full length podcasts.
On Google News they show NO ads at all – for a god reason
This is similar to what others are doing with blogs, wrapping Google Ads around someone else’s content to make a buck off them. As if by presenting others’ content gives you the right to make money off their work. FeedoStyle (feedostyle.com) is a prime example of this “evil” behaviour, when they’re not down
Sue the bastards!
I regularly use Google for the “Cached” link that comes up under almost every search result and they do have full pages with images. True there are no adds on that page, but they lead you to the content and showed you advertisements along the way.
Yeah, NPR will buy that when they hear the ringtone ad in front of thir shows….
jesus, how else would people make money out of it……… hosting high bandwidth sites that distribute mp3s or videos, etc costs money
It is not as black and white as many would like for it to be. There are many legal grey issues here.So I suggest a dialing down on the emotion if you are in fact going to leave the lawyers out of it and work the issue with them. Otherwise, keep the emotion in it and skip the delay and call in the lawyers.
No grey issues here, without a contract they are not allowed to insert any ads in other peoples content.
BTW. The service is even questionable without ads inserted – storing and reformating other peoples content is also not allowed under most licenses.
I agree with Adam, let them get the idea of linking up with podcasters, it is easy to forget to do this.
I like the concept, I don’t always have my Ipaq synced with the latest shows, but I do always have my mobile ready to connect to. This could work, if they include the contentmakers.
If they don’t, we go with Paulo
Oh please do this to my show. Please, please, please. I’m just wondering how quick to serve the Summons and Complaint.
I’m in Court everyday anyway, and it’d be nice to just go down there to pick up a check for myself…..
With my luck, they’ll just pick out some poor defenseless housewife who will never say boo when they do this to their podcast. I certainly will….
[burb] [yawn]
regarding: http://www.pod2mob.com : these cocksuckers not only steal content and put their ads on it, but they DON’T PLACE LINKS to original websites of podcsats – as you can see for example here . This sucks! Most podcast directories have links to original websites of podcasts but they don’t! This is bad.
Anyway my fucking opinion is: some podcasts have a gospel to spread and don’t mind being disseminated by any fuckers, but, holy Dirty Sanchez, they should provide at least links to websites of podcast creators!!!
Christine : sybian would help too.
Andrew : they don’t host it, they just stream on-the-fly from MP3 to some other formats – it is simple technique.
Tuotrams : Google News doesn’t have full content of stories but just snippets.
Michael : ipaq? [drool] [drool]
Jersey Todd : you are in the court everyday? is the judge hot? man, besides: who will dare to sue these suckers. Not everybody has spare money for lawsuits as AdamC…
I say someone should make a little call to the EFF.
CSB: There are two links to your site in the link that you posted above.
@ CSB sybian = symbian
http://www.sybian.com/
CSB – I’m in Court everyday…Are the Judges hot? Depends on whether they agree with me…and as far as AC having the spare change to sue these people, I don’t think it matters….I have some spare time and whole lot of coffee (and no, not Senseo, its weak coffee)…Of course, can we count on you to testify in Court?
You see the thing that really bothers and scares me about mod2pod is that as a PMN user, I’ve agreed not to podcast for commercial gain as part of the License Agreement with the PMN. Artists have uploaded to the PMN with this agreement in mind. If these jerks replay my show even one time, with commercial advertising on it, without my consent, then theoretically the artists could come after me for violating the agreement and for enforcement of their copyright. I would have to implead the mod2pod people and bring them into Court, but it would be incredibly aggravating and time consuming….
My comments were in no way a defense of what pod2mob is doing. They are clearly bottom feeders trying to make a buck from someone else’s hard work without compensation to the artist. I realize that their is a huge divide between creating an index of content and redistributing (and converting formats by the way) content that is protected by copyright. That said is there a loophole in the podcasting system that someone a little smarter, say Google, could exploit and do something similar? Would it also be illegal for a feed aggregator service to place targeted ads “in-between” podcasts?
Jersey Tod: I am always ready.
CSB – you’d be incredibly interesting witness! I wouldn’t even have to prep. you or think of any questions to ask – I’d just put you on the stand and say “Go!”
Could I just point out that my show, the Calmcast, is listed on two sites, both of which display advertising all over the page. I have not asked for this advertising, nor do I receive any money for it.
http://music.podshow.com/music/listeners/podshow_details.php?ShowHash=6ac4f871a26542e8226d071a3c1672b1
http://www.podcastalley.com/search.php?searchterm=calmcast
What is not clear is whether the podcast creator is the only person who can add his / her show to the pod2mob service. If so, then I presume that there will be a revenue split. Does this remind anyone of Podshow? If not, then these guys could end up in the shit.
I think we need a little more info before we start to castigate them.
If they get this right, then this could be very big indead. The second and third wave of listeners will not care how they get content. This could take podcasting away from the geeks and into the ‘mainstream’.
Ken : EFF are total fuckers interested in big cases, not in small shit like that.
Paul Pinfield : oi, fuck, I am stupid monkey. They really have links to the site there. It is not my site though – it is a site of my pal from UK though. I wouldn’t dare to plug here anything mine (haven’t you noticed that I don’t plug anything mine in audio comments?) Thanks for noticing it that I am stupid monkey! Well, in that case I don’t mind that pod2mob is taking my podcast… but surely many people mind it.
Alex : it’s not “my sybian”, it is a device used almost everyday on Howard Stern show that I listen LIVE (YES, AdamC, I can do it also in EU and you not, nah, nah, nah!) – but lately Howard is introducing even more female self-pleasure machines…
Jersey Todd : the more I am being paid the more interesting witness I am. Besides: as I said: if judge is hot, then why not?
Paul Pinfield : podcsatalley is a scam, so don’t even mention them… but anyway they don’t do it IN FUCKING AUDIO but in FUCKING WEBPAGE only. Podcasts = audio, not texts.
AdamC: aren’t your podshow doing the same as mob2pod here? (a show of Keith and his bitch that didn’t sign any agreemetn with Poshow Whores Inc).
What do you guys think of Keith and Chemda’s take on the podshow contract (they read out on their last show)? that’s keithandthegirl.com
Pod2mob.com…..hmmmm
Creative Commons test again eh?
Hey adam,
If you look at the TOS listed here:
http://www.pod2mob.com/main/termsofservice
you will notice the following paragraph which makes me think someone must have subscribed your show to this site? Maybe they are fans and forgot to remove it…
“You understand that by listing a Podcast with our service you acknowledge that you are the owner of any applicable copyrights for all content distributed, or you have received explicit permission by all copyright holders to list this podcast with Pod2Mob.com.
You agree that Pod2Mob.com is entitled to re-broadcast and re-encode your Podcast, as well as play promotional audio content before a stream.”
Adam you basically are calling pod2pod thieves yet you advertise on there site.
“Will the real slim shady please stand up!â€
Start flying coach.
I didn’t list my show with their site at all. Nor do we advertise on their site. Please don’t turn this into a stupid conversation.
What a bunch of hot air. Anyone who tries to move podcasting into a real industry gets their head cut off. Don’t we WANT to get paid some day for our shows? All of the shows listed on
Pod2Mob opted in for the ads. I did. I asked about revenue share and they said if I create space for them, they will sell it and split it. I don’t see what’s so negative about people being able to listen to my show over mobile phones and I certainly don’t see a problem with making a little dough.
After searching through this list of podcasts… there is no way they had everyone submit their content…
Can a business model be made out of transmission of content over a different network? Would you have issue with adverts served on the webpage only?
Does the CC license allow podcast aggregators to “swallow” your podcast (ie. downloading to their servers and serving the podcast subscriptions from there) ?? They must be making digital copies through their servers in order to serve to other networks. This would constitute copyright infringement in itself if the content is modified in any way, yes?
*gotta get the mic out for some audio comments*
-punkrider, santa barbara, ca
Andrew Coffey : the bleached hair is right: don’t you know that many people put advertisements of other things just to PRETEND that they are beign paid – to attract (to fool) other possible advertisers into t hinking that they are reliable publication for advertisemetnt???
AdamC: you don’t want your podcast being spread through their site BUT I DON’T MIND IT for my podcast. So clearly there are some (few?) people that don’t mind what pod2mob is doing but it is correct that they do things without explicit permission of podcasters and BE CAREFUL ADAMC: it could be that soon somebody like them will write “ad stripper” that will skip your initial ad from Podshow – it is technically easy to do…
Interesting Phiam. So, Pod2Mob are simply a mobile alternative to Podshow?
Phiam,
I did not opt in. I wasn’t contacted and I gave no permission to copy my work into another format, certainly not with ads inserted. Where did you find an optin-in form or did you receive an email?
Maybe its egotistical, but I really get excited when I pull up my show through pod2mob on my phone. Its cool to think that people are walking around with their earbuds listening to me. I just don’t get why everyone is so upset about this. I know the subject of this story is slanted “THIEVES!” but if you just think about it for a second I think this is a GOOD thing. The bigger the medium the bigger the message. Pod2Mob hasn’t asked me to pay a thing to them to have my show distributed over wireless. I don’t mind them tagging a commerical at the beginning of my show to defray costs. If they inserted it in the middle I’d probably be pissed. They seem like nice enough guys from their email. I hope I can do some bizness with them soon, so I can do this full time.
If they contacted you then that’s cool. But they didn’t contact me about my show and that’s not cool.
Well when I submitted my feeds months ago there was an opt in form, I gave them lotsa permission but it said I could have my show remove at any time. No biggie.
“Nor do we advertise on their site.”
I just saw a podsafe ad in the right column while browsing their site. You must be using some affiliate ad network that this site is now included on ???
By publishing an RSS feed we are kinda releasing everything to the public in downloadable form anyway. Its hard for anyone using RSS to argue that we want any kind of control over how our published content. There’s an assumption that we give people a lot of freedom to make feeding a mainstream medium. Maybe that needs to change. Maybe the feed itself should include some disclaimer as to how we want our rights used. Could CC information be included in the RSS feed itself? I think the new version of Garageband has a way to do that.
If you didn’t opt-in that’s not cool, but getting the lawyers panties in wad is probably a little premature. Pod2Mob assured me that they don’t aggregate. AC, maybe you have a fan among the Pod2Mob listeners who found a way to add your show so they could listen to it on the road.
Screen grab of podsafe advert on pod2mob
Keith and the Girl – Wow – did these guys ever buy a house or review ANY contract – employment, trade, ect.? Regardless of whether they really read a real contract, there was nothing there that shocked me or that I found particularly offensive. I mean, the deal may not work for them, that’s fine. Great for them. Frankly, a bit arrogant of them to show off how much they don’t need the deal. However, the language in the contract that they read was pretty typical legalese, and generally, not horrible. From a sheer “craft” stanpoint, it was sharply written, too…
Of course, I learned two things:1) the Jersey Toddshow is really on the junior varsity level, but that’s cool as long as I get to be a Captain of the JV team (wow, podcasting really is like high school !), and 2) Keith and the Girl are subject to a whole mess of “trade secrets”, “non-disclosure”, “confidentiality”-type lawsuits.
Finally, for the fun of it, let me throw this one out there – certainly under US law, podcasters are subject to defamation and slander suits. As a new media, probably even more so than radio as the protections aren’t truly defined. Obviously, AC is a public figure, and really is open to any kind of ridicule. However, Podshow, Inc. may have some standing to file suit regarding its reputation in the community… but I’d have to think this one out a little more….
I hereby apologize to Adam Curry, Podshow, and others: obviously I misunderstood something and the reality is that Keith and his bitch has not been offered any contract from Podshow Inc.
I am sorry.
Punkrider, what does the image link to? Probably an ad network.
@csb
>Google News doesn’t have full content of stories but just snippets.
I know, and although they only present snippets they cannot – for legal reasons – sell ads for this news service.
Tuotrams : that’s interesting, I didn’t know that! So how is google make money out of Google news then?
AdamC: that banner links to http://www.m2mg.com/ad/click/?itemid=MTk%3D&data=/ad/data/pod2mob/&site=pod2mob that redirects to http://music.podshow.com/ ! in other words as I said: they just placed this banner either because they pretend that they get money from podshow or simply because they promote Podsafe Music Network – out of good will.
Adam&Punkrider – the ad links to m2mg.com the M2MobileGroup – looks like they own pod2mob.com. Not sure how the ad network works, it doesn’t look as if m2mg runs an ad network…
Frederic: the ‘ad network’ is a too big word, I think that it is just a simple script that is counting number of clicks on each banner. Besides: as AdamC said: his show has been removed from pod2mob.com so they have come clean with him and the matter is closed me thinks.
@Jersey Todd, AC
I must listen again to Keith and his Girl but my first impression is, “very bad Adam” – no way that the big boys sign such a contract, you should at least guarantee some kind of split. You will lose if the people get the impression that the split is something like 95% for Podshow and 5% for the content creator.
Will not take long before Google and other Ad-sellers join the audio ad game, so not much time to get a feet in the door for Podshow
tuotrams – I don’t think I heard a 95/5 split – I didn’t hear anything jump out at me like that. I think the “big guys” negotiate a contract, the same way you or I would negotiate certain things in a real estate contract. I don’t know whether the contract is a “take it or leave it” deal, which would be unfortunate but understandable…
Adam I think they are adding people without consent. I know a podcaster who does not and will not advertise in any form yet his show is on there.
I’m not even worried about the Money .. in my case I’m more worried about the associations people will make to my show. Ads that will draw connections to my show that not only don’t exist but are agenst my views … No I’m not worried about Ringtones . but there are many other things out there that I am worried about . Porn, Casino’s ,opposing political ads,
Assuming KATG were reading an actual contract, there was mention in words to the effect of “if any portion of this contract is unscceptable, that portion can be renegotiated until it is acceptable to both Podshow and the Producer”.
So…it’s all negotiable. And as has been said, have your Lawyer advise you before signing a contract, not Keith and the Girl.
Also, methinks this is a “PDN open to the world” contract, vs. a Podshow and major Podcaster contract. Drew didn’t quit his day job for $500 a month.
Phiam you are seriously out of touch.
Actually Adam, here it’s not just a breach of copyright, it’s actionable in Tort as ‘passing off’
Where you are misled or confused into thinking a business or activity is, in fact the business activity of another you are entitled, certainly in the UK to a claim in damages. You have an equitable remedy for injunctive relief, i.e. a sanction to close down that arm of the business.
You were absolutely correct to give the company warning (’notice’) as they must cease and desist their activity.
Remember, it’s not just the dmages that are the real threat, it’s the Solicitor’s costs.. £300 an hour for commercial rates, £600 if the business is conducted on a Conditional Fee Basis.
Call me!
Tuotrams your figures in no way coalesce with any that have been leaked. No one would sign that. I think you’re mistaken.
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Paul Pinfield : not all podcasts on pod2mob have links !!!! I just looked at many different podcasts listed on pod2mob, for example this one and there are NO LINKS TO THE ORIGINAL WEBSITE of the podcaster. They have link “please email if you have issues with this page” but let’s see if they react. By default most podcasts on pod2mob HAVE NO LINKS TO ORIGINAL WEBSITES OF THESE PODCASTS!!!! … what is very very bad.
@cbs
Talking about “No more bullshit” – Google is so much overhyped, they have a good core business what is search – here they (still) have the edge over Yahoo, MSN,…But all the other me-too services Goggle offers SUCK and/or a loosing money. In 5 years Yahoo’s market cap will be 5 times that of Goggle. Sooner or later Google’s core business will come under margin pressure and Google will not have any other meaningful revenue streams.
@Kevin C Mason
Ringtone ads can be more damaging to your image than porn ads, ever heard of the “Jamba/Jamster scam”
@All
I don’t say the split is 95/5 but people can come to the conclusion it is, IMHO Podshow must add more transparency to its contracts. Targeted ads can be worth much money, even if you have not that much downloads, csb for example could easily fetch 20 times the amount of money per download in his msmobiles podcast compared to a mainstream podcast like Keith and his Girl.
IMHO Podshow must come with some kind of statement like “we redistribute 80% of all ad money to the content creators” – 20/80 seems a fair share t me.
CSB: I take your point about the links thing. Could you please email me at paul.pinfield@gmail.com ? I would like to speak to you about some of your work.
P
Jack-
>>>So…it’s all negotiable. And as has been said, have your Lawyer advise you before >>>signing a contract, not Keith and the Girl.
Hey Jack – thanks for the referral – sounds like a new career move for me. Screw the ambulance chasing – its “Jersey Todd” podcaster agent….I’d love to represent podcasters in deals with podshow…That’d be the ideal way for me to quit my day job…
Although my podcast doesn’t feature on pod2mob yet, I do feel that what they’re doing is not all new. There are many podcasting directories out there that leech of others, ie. sucking another site’s OPML and claiming it to be their own. Try to go through an RSS feed change – then you’ll soon find the many directories out there that has your feed locked deep in their databases, with no way for you to change it, yet we get listeners from those dodgy directories. I wouldn’t mind for my show to be listed on pod2mod, but then with my concent, and with me getting a piece of the pie. But again, is it really such a big deal? We’re marching towards 100ML (mega listeners)… Is it so bad if some of them are on mobile phones? Definitly not… If they make money off us without rewarding us for our hard work? Now it becomes questionable…
I think having it on your phone opens up an auidence you would never get to. There’s people out there that don’t normally go on the computer alot. But through this you grab that auidence. The ad in the beginning would not bother me for my show, or if I was listening. Simply move your ear from the phone when you know it starts. It was only 5 seconds. But I can see both sides of the story, aswell.
+cfitz
I want to see a lawsuite. Adam pissed is good entertainment.
this is just the same as a radio station taking cc licensed stuff and playing it with ads. I don’t like lawsuits but in this case I say rip them apart. I can say I don’t want them putting adds in-front of my podcast
If your podcast is listed in the Pod2Mob directory, all you have to do is send them an email and tell them to remove it — it looks to me from the wording on their site they are aware of the controversy that has popped up and will likely be very responsive to complaints.–TOM
Why should I have to affirmatively search for people violating whatever copyright my show has? Next, I guess I’ll have to put a sign outside of my home that says, “please don’t break in and steal from us.”
they have no right to put adds in front of my hard work. If a radio station recorded another station and played their shows with their own ads instead or as well as those of the original station and kept the money they would be sued like their was no tomorrow.
This is like if yahoo took google search and replaced the adds with their own and in no way gave profits to google.
This system dose not even attempt to give money to the podcast producers. they are taking our work and making money off it when we (Most of us) don’t making money off it and some of us (podcast Producers) don’t want their to be ads with our content.
I say take em for all they got.
Reminds me of the NFL disclaimer you hear during football season in the US.
“Any duplication or re-use of this broadcast is strictly prohibited without the express written consent of the National Football League”.
Food for thought….Are we starting to sound like the RIAA?? (I will now leave the building after asking this question).
This business model is crap anyhow. I own a Nokia 6280 with 1GB flash memory card. I download podcasts onto my phone directly, eg DSC and freedomainradio.com, listen with good quality headphones. I dont have a MP3 player, its my phone as well.
Me thinks Adam doth protest too much! Remember that he is saying things that could be considered actionable against a direct competitor who offers a more compelling service, so his judgement might be a bit blurred and biased. I have an iPod, but I don’t always drag it around with me, but my cell phone is permanately attached to my body, so Pod2Mob’s offering gets my attention and makes sense, let’s see how the ad part evolves as time goes on. let’s increase the peace, people!
We only just announced it on Monday and already there’s been some tremendous buzz, which has lead to some confusion and misinformation, so we wanted to take this opportunity to clear the air and ask for your help.
Pod2Mobile was the first company to extend podcasting into the
wireless world. With iPods and MP3 players, your potential audience
is limited to people who have bought one of those devices, but with
the advent of our software, the potential audience is extended to the
800million cell phones already on the market worldwide, around
200millon in the US alone. One of those fancy research firms
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market. Think about it, not everyone owns an iPod but almost
everyone has a mobile phone — and we carry them everywhere we go!
With today’s unlimited data plans, it is not prohibitive for people
to use their cell phones to listen to your podcast.
We are not just another podcast directory site. Pod2Mobile expands
the potential audience for podcasters dramatically. Broadcast
advertisers haven’t taken podcasters seriously out of the mistaken
belief that the podcasting audience hasn’t reached critical mass.
Now that listeners can play shows on demand as easily as turning a
dial, we expect a large mainstream audience to grow that will
ultimately support hundreds of podcasters and the shows they love to
produce.
However, there is a considerable cost to keep our service up and
running, much less developing it into a platform for podcasters to
build their own new media empires. Our service is FREE for listeners
and it is also FREE to podcasters. We do not charge for hosting or
delivering episodes and streams. Right now, the single ad that is
inserted before an episode is the only means of defraying costs. It
serves to keep all the equipment and software running and supported.
This simple ad program also creates metrics and statistics to prove
the advertising model to Madison Avenue and move the world of
podcasting further away from a hobbist activity to a thriving
professional industry. This is where we need your help!
In the immediate future, we expect to roll out our beta program for
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platform for new and reinvented careers in broadcasting. We need
podcasters to work closely with us to develop an advertising program
for producers and jockeys to make sure that they have enough control
over the placement and content of the commercials but still create
enough value for big and little brands to sponsor independent
publishing and podcasting. This is a fast moving, ever-evolving
space and we welcome new ideas and approaches.
Finally, we do not take anyone’s podcast without their permission.
Everytime a podcast is submitted, we get a sign off to distribute it.
If your podcast is listed on our service and you don’t want it there,
drop us a line and we will remove it right away. But we think we are
growing your audience at no cost to you and serving your listener’s
preferences and needs – - and that’s why we created Pod2Mobile in
the first place!
Thanks again for your interest. The future is very exciting for all
of us. Please write to us at questions@pod2mob.com with any
feedback, ideas or questions.
Wow that podshow contract is unbelievable. I can’t believe someone who promotes themself as a supporter of podcasters would do such a thing. Maybe someone should be throwing around the words like “stealing” or “theft” or “illegal” without first washing the windows of their glass house.
I think the RIAA question is valid. If we are going to start becoming fascists about our content, is that really going to attract the listeners we all need to be able to pay ourselves? It seems like the world of podcasting has diminished in the last couple of months, traffic slowing down. Could that be because of all the childish infighting?
Brad Zutaut writes:
“Finally, we do not take anyone’s podcast without their permission.
Everytime a podcast is submitted, we get a sign off to distribute it.
If your podcast is listed on our service and you don’t want it there,
drop us a line and we will remove it right away. But we think we are
growing your audience at no cost to you and serving your listener’s
preferences and needs – - and that’s why we created Pod2Mobile in
the first place!”
The second and third sentences here are in direct contradiction to one another. Which is it? Do you not list anyone without their permission, or do you need them to TELL you they don’t want to be listed? As Jersey Todd said, one shouldn’t have to use an afifirmative approach.
If you are telling the truth that you “get a sign off to distribute it”, then there should be no need for anyone to write to you asking to be removed. Unless, of course, you’re getting sign offs from people who don’t have a legal right to do so…
“Uh, Mom, will you sign off on this note, giving me permission to rebroadcast the Super Bowl on my cool new network?”
“Sure, honey, want a cookie too?”
I agree that this could be a great service, but you have shot yourselves in the foot by not being above board. You have created a good deal of bad blood where you should have been creating goodwil. Perhaps you were eager, and ASSUMED that podcasters would automatically embrce this, but, as ohers have pointed out, it’s UP TO THEM to decide, after being apprised of the specifics, whether or not they want to participate.
It very clearly says if somehow your podcast is up there and you want it to be taken down, just ask. I just read their terms of service (http://www.pod2mob.com/main/termsofservice) and when uploading you have to agree you are the owner or have permission to post and you authorize them to redistribute. You might want to actually read it before commenting further. I am eager to see the beta program that pays podcasters. Viva la Revolution!!!!!
I have indeed read it, and you totally prove my point. Many shows are listed on thieir directory which have NOT been directly submitted by the copyright owners, so to follow the logic of what they and you are saying, then no one should have to ask to be removed, since they themselves would have placed the listing in the first place.
The REALITY, and not the fantasy that their backpedaling would have us believe, is that they went and added a bunch of shows to their listings to beef up the numbers of shows listed, and figured, wrongly, that any podcaster would automatically be flattered and agree to having their meterial up there, “cuz it just gives you more exposure”. Well, unfortunately for them, in the real world, people have a right to choose for themselves, and they may not agree that it’s the kind of thing they want to be associated with.
There are plenty of people who would offer to publicize your goods and services for “free”. In some circles, they are called pimps, and the reality is far from free and not always pretty.
I don’t see why this is such a big deal. They are providing a cool service, which isn’t available otherwise, and they just added a small advertisement in the front of the podcast. It’s not like they are changing the podcast! Just think about how many ads we see everywhere for exchange for cool services… I’d think podcasters would, in most cases, be glad to see their content getting more reach through this service. I understand that people prefer to be asked, but really, this sounds like sour grapes to me that the people complaining didn’t think of providing this service first…
Maybe they should do it as an “opt out”? The only people that I’d think would choose to opt out are the ones that have agreements with OTHER advertisers who may not like MORE ads appearing before the podcast…
- Jon
Thanks for your comments Jon!
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